Intro to the LY5 Engines
The LY5 came in GM trucks and SUVs in 2007-‘09 and made 320 horsepower right out of the box.
It’s a Gen. 4 5.3L iron-block engine, so you’re getting the better intake manifold, connecting rods, and ECM. The engine also had 799/243 casting heads and 9.9:1 flat tops. 5.3’s don’t get much better.
That’s what makes the LY5 a junkyard jewel.
Any downsides? Just one—it came with AFM. But there are easy fixes for that.
For LY5 engine specs, read this:
How to Get More Power From Your LY5
These engines start life in trucks, but there’s just as much of a chance that you’ll spot them under the hood of a turbocharged drag car. Because of their strength, these engines are great candidates for power-adders.
The LY5 is among the most popular GM LS engines for several reasons:
- With iron block strength, they are the first choice for boost or nitrous applications.
- GM made a bazillion of them which helps keep prices down.
- The heads are very similar to LS6 heads
Do they have a downside? Just one. At 216 pounds, the block is 100 lbs. heavier than the aluminum blocks.
Basic Bolt-On Upgrades for LY5
Trucks are the everyday hotrods of the 21st century and you can think of the LY5 as a good old 327.
For a lot of people, it starts off with a cold air intake and aftermarket exhaust. The problem is that the engine starts to sound REALLY good and owners find themselves wanting to go faster.
Trucks often come with mechanical fans that sap horsepower. An electric fan kit will free up the power. All these can be done in the garage, but the tune won’t be optimized.
At this point, we recommend you talk to your chassis dyno tuner and decide on a computer programmer. Whether you’re towing on low-octane or springing for good fuel, a tuner can dial the ECM and take it to the next level. It also makes it easier to tune with a bigger cam and injectors later on. Before you go, make sure to install a colder thermostat to open up the tuning window.
Below are more upgrades that will improve the performance of the LY5 engines.
Upgrading the LY5 Camshaft and Valvetrain
As we mentioned earlier, the engine came with AFM…which is known to fail. If your engine is in good running condition now, you can install an AFM disabler. If a lifter is already failing, it’s best to go with an AFM delete kit, and if you’re in this deep, why not put a cam in it?!
The cams that came in Gen. 4 engines were generally a little better than Gen. 3 cams, but still pretty small. The price point of a LS3 or LS9 cam is good, but they make the engines pretty soggy up to 5000 rpm. This is due to the intake valve closing (IVC) point being late and bleeding off a lot of compression down low. What you want is a dedicated truck cam.
What’s the difference?
To maximize torque in the mid-range, manufactures close the intake valve at about 40 degrees (@.050 in.) after bottom dead center and alter the intake valve opening to set the idle quality. For a good idle and low end, you’ll often see the 5.3L truck cams in the 210-215@ .050 range if it’s still a daily driver.
If the engine is being swapped into a lightweight car with deep gears, converter, etc., the LY5 responds well to bigger cams.
|Intake Duration (@ 0.050 in.)||Horsepower at the wheels after bolt-ons||Idle Quality||Notes|
|196° (Stock)||270 whp||Smooth||Heavy drivetrain.|
|215°||+50 hp||Slightly noticeable||Good with auto and stock converter.|
|220° - 230°||+75 hp||Steady lope||Converter recommended. Still can drive daily.|
|230° - 240°||+100 hp||Lopey||Fly-cutting the pistons may be required. Heads and intake good for another 40+ hp.|
If your 5.3L will be seeing a turbocharger, you’ll want a dedicated turbo cam. They reduce overlap to keep high turbine inlet (backpressure) from flowing back into the cylinder. Generally supercharger cams and nitrous cams will have slightly more lobe separation and longer exhaust duration.
Drop-in .500 in. lift cams are popular, but LS6 springs allow you to run .550 in. lift and extend the rpm range. Spring life isn’t a problem because trucks generally don’t spend a lot of time at high rpm. Beyond that, .575 to .600 in. isn’t a problem with dual valve springs.
The stock rockers are good to 175 lbs. of seat pressure and 450 lbs. open. You will want to install a trunnion kit for added reliability.
There are a few other parts needed for a LY5 cam swap such as an LS2 timing chain, LS7 spec lifters, LS2 timing chain damper, and .080 in. wall pushrods.
You’ll have a better selection of cams by going with a 3-bolt cam and 4-pole 3 bolt cam gear.
LY5 Power Adders
In general, the LY5 will see boost or nitrous before any serious head work. Before we get into the power adders, there are a couple things to address:
- A 4-corner steam kit reduces hot spots that cause the rings to butt and snap the piston’s ring lands.
- Any power-adder will put you well past the limitations of the stock injectors and pump. We’ll address those in the next section.
With that out of the way, let’s get to the fun stuff.
- A roots-style supercharger is dependable and makes great torque in the low- and mid-rpm range. It’s great for melting tires.
- A centrifugal-style supercharger is lightweight and makes more power at high rpm. This is partially due to a larger intercooler mounted in front of the radiator.
- A nitrous oxide kit (at low settings) is great for street driving with stock internals. Up to a 200 shot is common. Keep in mind the tight piston ring-gap is the limiting factor beyond that. If you’re wanting to get serious, a single plane intake is less prone to break from a nitrous backfire. A plate system has better distribution than the original intake, but an eight-nozzle fogger system is even better. Running higher octane fuel is advised.
- Truck engine bays make fitting turbos easy. Single turbo systems using turbo exhaust manifolds are an inexpensive way to make big power. If you’re running a single turbo, the T4 hot-side fits well, but the small turbine diameters limit exhaust flow. The 650 whp begins to feel like 400 did in a hurry, so take this into consideration. V-band style exhaust housings open up the turbine options and make plumbing easier. Although twins are a little more expensive out of the box, you’ll have more room to grow.
Upgrading the LY5 Fuel System and Tuning
We recommend looking at the injector’s part number before taking it to the Tuner. The LY5 injectors were rated at 30 lbs. and won’t support much more than 390 hp. Luckily, you have many options.
If you use the shorter L94/L9H 54-lb. injector, a spacer will be required to fit the fuel rail.
Keep in mind, the best injectors are fully characterized which helps your tuner maximize idle quality etc.
When running boost, you can use a water-methanol system to supply extra fuel and lower charge air temps.
The factory pump is good to about 430 whp. Many fuel system upgrade options are available. Drop-in fuel pump modules and external pumps are popular. Other options to maintain or increase pump pressure includes electronic voltage controllers and hotwire kits.
Upgrading the LY5 Intake Manifold and Throttle Body
If you have a power adder, the intake and throttle body can take a backseat for a while longer. If you are naturally aspirated though, it’s commonly done before the heads.
The factory truck-style manifold has long runners for better low-end torque. Porting the intake is one option and a good value.
In most cases a single plane is the wrong way to go, but might make sense if you’re running a lot of nitrous because it’s stronger and the cylinder-to-cylinder mixture distribution can be better.
If you’re looking for more power and torque, the F.A.S.T. LSXRT intake allows a bigger 102mm+ throttle body. Truck engine bays also accommodate tunnel rams. These trade a little bit of torque down low for more up high—and nothing looks cooler.
|Manifold Style||Peak Horsepower||Torque|
|Single Plane||+10 hp||Losses everywhere below 5500 rpm. *Only recommended for nitrous or boost.|
|F.A.S.T. LSXRT||+25 hp||More low-end and top-end.|
|Tunnel Ram||+35 hp||Slightly lower below 3000, equal at 4500, and big gains beyond 5500.|
Ask your tuner about going with a Speed Density tune. Doing so removes the MAF restriction and will give you a bit more power.
[Trying to find an LS engine for a swap or build? Check out Part 1 and Part 2 of our LS Spotter’s Guide.]
Upgrading LY5 Cylinder Heads
- The stock heads can be CNC ported for more airflow and milled up to .030 in. for more compression. Flow numbers can be as high as 325 cfm at .600 lift. Lightweight hollow stem LS3 valves can be cut to 2.000 in. to fit the seats. Between the light valves and better springs, the engines will pull cleanly to 7000 rpm.
- A better option is aftermarket cathedral port heads. They reduce down time, they’re all new, and you can usually offset the added cost by selling your original heads. Valve angles are typically laid over to 13.5 degrees and 2.100 in. intake valves are common. They flow great and the cross-sections are great for boost. When comparing heads, look at .400 lift numbers as a general indicator of how the heads will perform. With a medium-sized cam, 425+ whp naturally aspirated is common even with the heavier truck drivetrain.
Upgrading the LY5 Rotating Assembly
Still looking for more?
As mentioned before, the pistons are a weak point and you probably know a guy that’s popped one. A set of forged pistons should be high on your priority list. They have stronger wristpins, thicker ring lands, and the added valve reliefs allow you to run big cams.
There are exceptions, but Gen. 4 rods start getting dicey around 800 whp and the bolts don’t like much more than 7000 rpm. They are likely to bend before they break when subjected to real track conditions. If you’re getting forged pistons, it’s best to also get forged connecting rods with 7/16 rod bolts.
The LY5 cranks were cast but strong. They’ve been known to handle over 1000 whp. The main reason for going with a stroker forged crank is for the added cubic inches. The extra cubes bring boost on quicker which means you can use bigger turbos.
Performance rotating assemblies are available in many combinations.
A couple notes of caution:
- The 5.3L iron blocks had short cylinder sleeves (5.430 in. on average). Much of the piston skirt drops out of the bottom of the cylinder at BDC. The best piston manufacturers have compensated for this by eliminating skirt taper until a point well above where it meets the bottom of the cylinder sleeve at BDC. Any skirt taper at this intersection acts as a razor blade and quickly wears out the piston.
- The blueprint deck height of the block is 9.240 in., but it’s common to find them in the 9.230-in. range. It’s best to measure deck height before ordering your rotating assembly. Thicker head gaskets or using an aftermarket 6.098-6.100 in. rod will ensure enough piston-to-head clearance.
|Gen. IV Standard Spec.||Stroke||Rod Length / Wristpin||Bore Size / Compression Distance|
|LY5 (5.3L)||3.622 in.||6.098 in. / 0.9431 in.||3.780 in. / 1.338 in.|
|Common Stroker Combos||Stroke||Rod Length / Wristpin||Bore Size / Compression Distance|
|5.3L to 5.7L||3.622 in.||6.098 in. / 0.945 in.||3.903 in. / 1.338 in.|
|5.3L to 5.7L||3.622 in.||6.125 in. / 0.927 in.||3.903 in. / 1.304 in.|
|5.3L to 6.3L||4.000 in.||6.098 in. / 0.927 in.||3.903 in. / 1.115 in.|
|5.3L to 6.3L||4.000 in.||6.125 in. / 0.927 in.||3.903 in. / 1.110 in.|
Upgrading the LY5 Engine Block
There is no replacement for displacement. If you’re running boost, it’s common to overbore .020 in. to 3.800 in. The blocks can be taken to 3.905 (.007 oversize LS1) if it’s not going to see a lot of power. When combined with a 4.000-inch stroke, this will increase displacement to 383 cubic inches.
The blocks have been known to withstand 1300 whp with proper machining, racing fuel and an excellent tune. Head and main studs are advised if you’re making more than 850 whp. At that point, a set of Head studs are a good idea. Although LS9 gaskets don’t have the optimal bore size, many have used them with success.
The factory main caps aren’t doweled. It’s better to reduce ignition timing and compensate with added boost to reduce the cylinder pressure spikes that lift heads and cause the main caps to dance.
(Information for this article originally appeared in this Upgrading the Gen. 4, 5.3L, Iron Block, LS Truck Engines article at Summit Racing’s searchable database of FAQ tech info. Go there and search “LS engines” for a comprehensive collection of LS engine tech information.)
NOTE: You can find engine specs and detailed engine upgrade advice for every LS and LS-based Vortec truck engine in one place: The Definitive Guide to LS Engine Specs and LS Engine Upgrades.
Great info Brian. Thank you.
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I have a 2008 1500 With the ly5. What would be the best solution to maximize the low in torque under 4000rpm. I want to rebuild my engine to achive the most low end torque as possible for hauling loads around 5000 to 6000 pounds. Im currently running my peraonal truck as a hotshot here in Houston texas and currently im haveing no issues with my truck hauling now but i wany more low end power to get off the line and go up all the steep bridges that the city has to throw at my truck. I want to do a amf delete but i still learning about the engine modification industry. Any information for me to grather up a list of part will be very much appreciated.
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